Section 15C.3 Referee Signals
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Not sure why we include only 9 signals in this section given none are unicycling specific and we use other hand signals. We should either just reference Apendix A of the FIBA rules or include all signals (at least all of the ones we would use). I also recommend creation of a signal for unmounted player.
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Indeed, this is strange.
I would remove the table and only add our specific signals (with a reference to the proper Appendix of the FIBA rules). I would say that signals are needed for "15B.5.3 Unmounted Player" and for "15B.5.7 Ball on Floor".
In France, we do have a signal for unmounted player: one hand is low and facing the floor, and a move is made like one is sweeping the floor with the hand. I think it is quite understandable (we call it "jeu au sol" ou "jeu à terre", which can be translated as "play while on the floor").
We have no signal for making the ball roll on the floor.
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I do not have the required skill to picture the signal for "play on floor" nor to find the appropriate violation name and signal description. Does anyone?
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Maybe chatGPT can?
https://u.pcloud.link/publink/show?code=XZvAub5Zxu2rPMx35XXefMIJPBOQjJy88nOy
Not perfect yet, but I can still adjust later if you think I should pursue the option.
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I think it's promising enough. You can pursue the IA option, thanks.
Possible improvements: I would put the hand lower, at the height of the hips. A double arrow could be added then to express the movement of the hand (horizontal, like sweeping the floor).
Optional improvements: use the same graphical conventions as in the FIBA rules (no face, perfect black skin, background colors).
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I tried to find the image as example, and I found something similar.
For the hand : I asked already twice to have it lower, it gets slightly lower each time. I like the arrows idea.
I'll look for the proper eaxmple to give to AI. Not today, since I am at my max daily image generation ^^.
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One issue with this signal is that it might be confused with visual counting (https://www.pinterest.com/pin/406168460116445845/ image 8). I think a signal could be the arm lowered towards the waist with the hand moving back and forth at the wrist (my ai image gen is not so great but kind of like https://chatgpt.com/c/6819a133-3670-8005-a665-b387e0d98420)
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Sorry my signal is for rolling the ball on the floor
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Joshua, I could not access your IA image.
Anyway, I realize that I did not describe well enough the signal for a contact of the ball with an unmounted player or an unmounted unicycle. The arm is straight, with the hand at the height of the hips (in front of the referee so that it is more visible). The palm of the hand is facing the floor and the sweeping is only made by moving the wrist, with the palm still facing the floor. Therefore, the signal is quite different from the "visible count" signal, where the hand is at the height of the shoulder and the elbow is moving but not the wrist.
Ideally, we should have two additional signals, one for rolling the ball on the floor, and one for being too close to a bent player picking up the ball. Since the rolling ball situation is also on the floor, we could use the same signal as the unmounted player/unicycle signal. Which situation arised among the two should be clear enough in the vast majority of cases.
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This makes sense, I think it's sufficient for the two signals to vary in the motion of the hand If the player is on the floor that the hand moves parallel to the floor, which is your current signal, and for rolling the ball the hand can fold at the wrist (maybe this link works https://chatgpt.com/s/m_681a85280e5c81919b04683badc2fb69?). For the third signal of interfering with a player trying to pick up the ball how about both arms parallel pointing down to the side sort of like trying to pick up the ball e.g. https://chatgpt.com/s/m_681aba9cbdc48191a521bf841c910a10
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I succeeded in seeing your images, and I agree with the three signals you propose.