Face-Off: Let the second referee blow the whistle when they execute the face-off
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In conjunction with the discussion on the positioning during te face off i have another point to make:
In the current rules, the first referee restarts after everything with their blow of the whistle.
But when the second referee executes the face-off, i suggest that that second referee shall blow the whistle.
My reasoning here is, that its hard for the first referee to see the exact moment, the ball touches the ground. The current rules read:
"Play starts when the ball touches the ground as signalled by
the referees whistle."
With this current rule there are situations where the first referee blows too late, after the players touched the ball which is not ideal.
I suggest a rule change in 14.C.2.2 The Referees:
" The First Referee restarts the game after every interruption by a long blow of the
whistle. Exception: A face-off executed by the second referee, see 14.B.9.4"
And then in 14.B.9.4 Face-off:
"To resume the game without penalizing one of the teams, a face-off can be used. For
the face-off, the referee drops the ball between two opposing players. The ball should
be dropped from below hip height of players in the vicinity. One player from each team
may take part in the face-off with all other players’ unicycles and sticks at a distance of
at least 2 m from the ball. Play starts when the ball touches the ground as signalled by
the referees whistle. If the second referee executes the face-off, that second referee blows the whistle to restart the game. A face-off during the game is executed where the ball was when the
game was interrupted . Exception: Within the goal area, the face-off is executed at the
closest corner mark."
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I agree. It is much easier to coordinate the whistle blow and drop the ball if it is done by one person. At least in the German league this is done like that anyway in most of the games .
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Sounds good, can go to proposal in my opinion.
If we anyway change 14C.2.2, I suggest to change "The First Referee restarts the game after every interruption by a long blow of the
whistle." I hate long blows, they are not easier to hear and are just painful.
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Yes, I think this change makes sense.
I agree with Nicolai, long blows are very stupid for players and spectators.
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I agree to both. the ref who does the face-off should also blow the whistle.
I rather use a slightly longer whistle blow after a goal was shot, not to restart the game.
Ciao Ole
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In 14C.2.6 General I found "The game is interrupted by a short and loud blow of the whistle." A whistle should be loud anyway, additions "long", "shot" and "load" are not needed and should be canceled.
An other suggestion for shorter wording
14C.2.2 The Referees
The two referees are positioned on opposite sides. They try to stay close to the ball. They should not ride a unicycle. The clothes of the referees must be of different color than those of the players. Both referees are responsible for checking all violations of the rules and executing face-offs.
The First Referee has three additional tasks:
• The First Referee overrules the Second Referee, if they disagree.
• The First Referee (Exception: face-off see 14.B.9.4) restarts the game after every interruption by a long blow of the whistle.• The First Referee drops the ball in for the face-off.
14B.9.4 Face-off
To resume the game without penalizing one of the teams, a face-off can be used. For the face-off, the next referee drops the ball between two opposing players. ... Play starts when the ball touches the ground as signalled by the executing referees whistle. ...
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We already have three discussions about the Face-off. I'll try tu summerize all the discussions here to make on proposal for all.
Old:
14C.2.2 The Referees
The two referees are positioned on opposite sides. They try to stay close to the ball.
They should not ride a unicycle. The clothes of the referees must be of dierent color
than those of the players. Both referees are responsible for checking all violations of the
rules.
The First Referee has three additional tasks:
• The First Referee overrules the Second Referee, if they disagree.
• The First Referee restarts the game after every interruption by a long blow of the
whistle.
• The First Referee drops the ball in for the face-off
New:
14C.2.2 The Referees
The two referees are positioned on opposite sides. They try to stay close to the ball.
They should not ride a unicycle. The clothes of the referees must be of dierent color
than those of the players. Both referees are responsible for checking all violations of the
rules and executing face-offs.
The First Referee has three additional tasks:
• The First Referee overrules the Second Referee, if they disagree.
• The First Referee restarts the game after every interruption by a long blow of the
whistle. (Exception: face-off see 14.B.9.4)
• The First Referee drops the ball in for the face-off.
And for the Face offthe following wording
Old:
14B.9.4 Face-o
To resume the game without penalizing one of the teams, a face-o can be used. For
the face-o, the referee drops the ball between two opposing players. The ball should
be dropped from below hip height of players in the vicinity. One player from each team
may take part in the face-o with all other players' unicycles and sticks at a distance of
at least 2 m from the ball. Play starts when the ball touches the ground as signalled by
the referees whistle. A face-o during the game is executed where the ball was when the
game was interrupted. Exception: Within the goal area, the face-o is executed at the
closest corner mark.
New:
14B.9.4 Face-o
To resume the game without penalizing one of the teams, a face-o can be used. For
the face-o, the referee drops the ball between two opposing players. One player from each team
may take part in the face-o with all other players' unicycles and sticks at a distance of
at least 2 m from the ball. The ball schould dropped from a hight of 50cm (approx. 20 inch). Play starts when the ball touches the ground as signalled by
the excecuting referees whistle. A face-o during the game is executed where the ball was when the
game was interrupted. Exception: Within the goal area, the face-o is executed at the
closest corner mark.
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A voting member has to bring this discussion to proposal.
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One final question: Are we saying that the second referee should drop the ball while the first referee blows the whistle? Or are we saying the first referee should drop the ball while the second referee blows the whistle?
If we are going to separate these two jobs, I believe the first referee should blow the whistle, not drop the ball. This would let them stand farther away from the ball and have a better view of the whole field at the start of play.
However, if we make a rule that says a specific referee must always drop the ball, this creates problems, especially during face-offs near the corner marks. Do we expect that referee to run to the other side of the field to do the face-off? If they do, do they stay on that side afterwards, and the other referee switches? Or are we simply saying that the two jobs, dropping the ball and blowing the whistle, should be done by different people, without always assigning the same referee to each?
I personally don’t think this rule is necessary, but I’m happy to vote for it if we can solve these final questions.
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Again: A >voting< member has to bring this discussion to proposal!
If don't, in accordance with the current rule the second referee is not allowed to restart a game.
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I think there has been a misunderstanding. I'm not bringing it to proposal until I am clear on what is being proposed
The below chat gpt translation may better explain what I am trying to understand before bringing a proposal.
Eine letzte Frage: Sagen wir, dass der zweite Schiedsrichter den Ball fallen lassen soll, während der erste Schiedsrichter pfeift? Oder soll der erste Schiedsrichter den Ball fallen lassen, während der zweite pfeift?
Wenn wir diese beiden Aufgaben trennen wollen, denke ich, dass der erste Schiedsrichter pfeifen und nicht den Ball fallen lassen sollte. So könnte er weiter vom Ball entfernt stehen und hätte zu Beginn des Spiels einen besseren Überblick über das gesamte Spielfeld.
Wenn wir jedoch eine Regel aufstellen, die besagt, dass ein bestimmter Schiedsrichter immer den Ball fallen lassen muss, entstehen Probleme – besonders bei Face-Offs in der Nähe der Eckmarkierungen. Erwarten wir, dass dieser Schiedsrichter dann auf die andere Seite des Feldes laufen muss, um das Face-Off durchzuführen? Und bleibt er danach auf dieser Seite, während der andere Schiedsrichter wechselt? Oder sagen wir einfach, dass die beiden Aufgaben – Ball fallen lassen und pfeifen – von verschiedenen Personen erledigt werden sollen, ohne dass immer derselbe Schiedsrichter dafür zuständig ist?
Ich persönlich finde diese Regel nicht notwendig, aber ich stimme gern dafür, wenn wir diese letzten Fragen klären können.
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> One final question: Are we saying that the second referee should drop the ball while the first referee blows the whistle? Or are we saying the first referee should drop the ball while the second referee blows the whistle?
The proposal was that the referee who blows the whistle should always be the one who drops the ball.
"Play starts when the ball touches the ground as signalled by the excecuting referees whistle."
All in all, I would say that Pascal had summarized all the things well in his preliminary proposal here.
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Thanks for that Jan I understand what was being discussed now