6.5m rebound clarification
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In Switzerland, we had the situation where a 6.5m was missed, did hit the ball and then the player shooting the 6.5m did score with the direct rebound. The discussion was then whether this goal should count or not.
The rules currently are "The player executing the 6.5 m may only touch the ball once." and for the free shot, we have "The player executing the free shot may only touch the ball once until a contact by another player occurs." Thus, the rules are not clear enough whether in such a situation the goal should count or not.
I don't mind whether we allow or not a goal in such a situation, but I think this needs clarification.
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This is a good point, I never thought about this. My initial reaction was "the shooting player shoudlnt be allowed to touch it again or it invites them to shoot at the wall behind the goal for a rebound"
But I can't see any situations where a player would prefer to aim for the back wall than a static goalie. I think it probably should be allowed for the shooting player to hit the rebound.
1) it would be a rare occurence
2) I dont think missing the goal on purpose will become a tactic
3) If it happens a few times I think defenders and the keeper will come up with tactics to defend it. The defending players are the same distance from the goal as the shooter so have a lot of ability to ride forward at the shot to pressure any rebound.
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I agree.
If we would allow in such a situation to shoot the rebound, we need to specify, that as soon as the ball crosses the extended goal line or hits the goal post, the shooting player may touch the ball again (without the need for any other player to touch it first).
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Rule: "...if no goal is scored, play continues as soon as the ball touches the post, the keeper touches the ball or the ball crosses the extended goal line. A 6.5 m awarded at the end of, or after a time period has ended, is still executed but play does not continue after an
unsuccessful shot".
The advantage of the 6.5m is gone and not used, the play continues immediately. The player used the direct rebound to score was the lucky one. I see no gap in the rules.
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Play also continues after a free shot but still the player executing the free shot may only touch it once.
Adding the following sentence should clarify any potential ambiguity:
if no goal is scored, play continues as soon as the ball touches the post, the keeper touches the ball or the ball crosses the extended goal line. At this moment, the shooting player may play the ball again. A 6.5 m awarded at the end of, or after a time period has ended, is still executed but play does not continue after an unsuccessful shot.
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I agree, the shooting player shall be allowed to play the rebounding ball.
The added sentence clarifies that.
Ciao Ole
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Yes, sounds good.
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In the situation Nicolai described, I was one of the referees, and we counted the goal.
I think it would be better if a goal like that didn't count, because I think a 6.5 m it's like a free shot. I think if the ball only touches the post or the wall, the player who took the 6.5m shot is not allowed to touch the ball again, as it is a double touch like a free shot.
If the goalkeeper touches the ball, the player who took the 6.5 m shot it`s allowed to take the rebound.
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Instead of a sentence only one word may clarify this situations.
Rule: "...if no goal is scored, regulary play continues as soon as the ball touches the post, the keeper touches the ball or the ball crosses the extended goal line."
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In my opinion, the rules explicitly mention for free shots that another player must touch the ball before the shooter may touch it again. However, this is not explicitly mentioned for the 6.5-meter shot. Thus, I interpret the current rules as allowing the shooting player to touch the ball again after a rebound, as the rules only restrict the shooter to one contact during the initial shot, but do not forbid subsequent touches after rebounds.
If we interpret the rule strictly (that another player must touch the ball first), rebounds from the goalkeeper would clearly allow the shooter another shot, since the goalkeeper is another player, whereas rebounds from the goalpost would not. This distinction seems inconsistent and unclear.
Additionally, I propose changing the rule so that the game continues immediately after the shot is taken, instead of waiting until the ball crosses the extended goal line, hits the post, or is touched by the goalkeeper. This would allow defenders to react quicker and intercept potential rebounds. In my view, a 6.5-meter shot should not be treated the same as a free shot—just like a free kick and a penalty kick in soccer aren't equivalent (though this analogy may not be perfect, it illustrates my point clearly).
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If we do the 2m distance as suggested this give time due to the distance after the shot and if a shot remains a one touch shot, I think it is worth to discuss "...the game continues immediately after the shot is taken, instead of waiting until the ball..." I see a benefit.
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... there might be a problem with the spirit of the suggested change of rule if the shooter tips only the ball (first touch) and after this behavier he would be allowed to play normal game and the defending players are min. 2m away.
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That's a very good point. I hadn't considered it.
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i also know the sitation described on the beginning of this discussion.
I think there is a difference between a free-shot and de 6.5m. because in the case of teh 6.5m all other players hav to wait behind the 6.5m line. In this case we allow the schooting player to toch the Ball 2 times before the ball crosses the extended goalline or rebounds from the goalkeeper or the goal, the Schooting player can play the ball near to the goal an schoot for example from a 3m distance a dragged schot.
So i think the additional sentence from Nicolai would be the best solution for the Moment.
if no goal is scored, play continues as soon as the ball touches the post, the keeper touches the ball or the ball crosses the extended goal line. At this moment, the shooting player may play the ball again. A 6.5 m awarded at the end of, or after a time period has ended, is still executed but play does not continue after an unsuccessful shot.
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shorter:
...if no goal is scored, the ball touches the post, the keeper touches the ball or the ball crosses the extended goal line regulary play continues.
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In my opinion, this would not be clear enough and I very much would like to have a rule that removes any doubt.