Double Body Play (Closed for comments)

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Started 17 Jul 02:14

I'd like to start a discussion about double body play. According to the rules, it is not permitted to have two consecutive active touches by the same player. However, are the following situations allowed or not allowed? It might be helpful to clarify the rules in this regard. These are all 1-in-1000 situations, but some of them have already occurred during tournaments or in training.

A player actively plays the ball with their hand. The ball drops to the ground. The same player then actively plays the ball again with their hand.
A player actively plays the ball with their hand. The ball touches an opponent. The same player then actively plays the ball again with their hand.
A player actively plays the ball with their hand. The ball drops to the ground. A teammate then actively plays the ball with their hand.
A player actively plays the ball with their hand. An opponent then actively plays the ball with their hand. The first player then plays the ball again with their hand.

Comment 17 Jul 02:33

I think the rules are quite clear with regard to all of these points (I would need to search for the respective points in the rules, there is somewhere a sentence that stick / body counts as contact). 1 is not allowed, all other three are allowed. Where I had more issues is whether the current rule means that a player is allowed to play more than two times with their body (if passive).

Anyway, finding a more accurate wording is in any case a good thing. Do you already have a specific suggestion?

Comment 17 Jul 02:35

In my opinion 1) is a active double play results in a free shot for the opponent team.

2), 3), 4) its allowed because ther is a other person touching the ball between the two activr contacts.

Comment 17 Jul 03:00

I agree. I find the current rules clear due to what is considered contact.

Comment 17 Jul 03:01

I would rule the same.
1 not allowed

The others are allowed.

Comment 18 Jul 02:32

I agree to as referred this 4 situations above. As a pick-up I like to ask your opions for a 5. situation (happens so fare I have seen only in training more for fun): Player 1 actively plays the ball with his hand, passing the ball to one of his teammades, this teammade actively plays the ball with his hand, passing the ball back or to another of his teammades > playing a kind of handball. Currently I had to referree this situation as allowed due to no active double contact/play by the same player. ("The stick, the unicycle and the whole body can be used to play the ball.")

I would prefer that playing a kind of ping-pong or handball should not be allowed, it would be against the idea playing unicycle hockey with a stick. At first there should be an agreement of allowed or not, if should not allowed, a quick proposal is needed (the good wording will befind in the following phase).

Comment 18 Jul 07:21

I consider that allowed Herbie but I havent even felt the need to make it a foul. The rules state the touching of the hand must be instantaneous, so people can only deflect a ball in a small range of angles, they cannot significantly change the direction of the ball or it involves cupping the ball. I think only being able to catch and throw the ball would make it a powerful option.

For me a team will be much more of a threat in attack if they use their sticks than if they try to bat it to each other. For this reason, I have never felt it necessary to outlaw. I also think this is the reason it has never really been attempted in a serious match.

Comment 19 Jul 02:02

For the manner of passing the ball to a teammade probably "volleyball" would be a better example instead of playing a sort of handball.

Current rule: "Players are allowed to play the ball with the body twice in a row only if one of the contacts is passive."

Adding 4 words would stop this possible kind to play the ball: "Players of the same team are allowed to play the ball with the body twice in a row only if one
of the contacts is passive."

Comment 19 Jul 04:50

I agree with you too

1 is not allowed. 2, 3, 4 are allowed.

5 is allowed too.

As long as these situations don't become winning strategies in top matches (as Malte said they are rare cases), i don't see the need to rule them out either.

Comment 20 Jul 03:16

I can't ever see these becoming winning strategies. Good teams are better with their sticks than they are with hitting air balls to each other.

You also can't score with the hand, so you are suggesting that a team is better at hitting balls to each other with their hands than using their sticks, but then they are good enough to hit a bouncing ball with their stick to score at the end off this volleyball.

I have never felt this deserved my attention in the rulebook