Slight redefining of Long Shots
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The rules read:
14B.7.2
A goal is disallowed if the last contact with the ball was made when the ball was in one’s
own half. The defending team gets a free shot (goalkeeper’s ball). This rule does not
apply if the ball is shot from the opponents’ half into one’s own goal.
I’ve always found this rule unintuitive. The everyday understanding is that a goal can only be scored in the opponent’s half. For me, the logical rule would therefore be that the last contact with the ball must happen within the opponent’s half, and the ball must have completely crossed the center line.
This fits well with our discussion about scoring a goal, where we defined the “rear edge of the goal line.” Here, from the shooter’s perspective, it would be the “rear edge” of the center line.
I propose the following change:
For a goal to be valid, the last contact with the ball must occur in the opponent’s half, meaning the entire ball has crossed the center line into the opponent’s half. Otherwise it's considered a Long Shot and the defending team gets a free shot (goalkeeper’s ball). This rule does not apply if the ball is shot from the opponents’ half into one’s own goal.
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I like to clarify this
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A goal is disallowed if the last contact with the ball was made when the ball was in one’s
own half
This says that for a goal to be awarded the last contact of stick with the ball (rider does not matter) must be over halfway (inside the half that contains the goal that is being shot on).
For me, the logical rule would therefore be that the last contact with the ball must happen within the opponent’s half,
By elimination this is what the rule says. Are you proposing to reword to say what awards a goal instead of what disallows a goal?
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Where does my half end? It ends there, where the central line starts. Where does the opponents half begin (from my perspective)? It begins where the central line ends. So the central line itself (maybe a width of 5cm?) is a somewhat undefined territory.
Therefore i see a clear difference in my wording proposal vs. the original wording.
When i shoot, i shall not be in my half, nor shall i be in the undefined territory that is the central line. I shall be in the opponents half, therefore the last contact with the ball shall be at least where the opponents' half begins: The ball must have crossed the central line entirely.
It's the same for a goal. In order to count the goal the ball must have crossed the entirety of the goal line. So it makes sense to have the same idea for the long shot/central line.
It's a small thing, but i find it makes much more sense logically. And as a referee i do think it makes a difference, i had discussions about this a few times in the past in narrow decisions.
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It's a small thing, but i find it makes much more sense logically. And as a referee i do think it makes a difference, i had discussions about this a few times in the past in narrow decisions.
Good point Fin, you are correct. There is a difference in meaning when adding in the crossing of the centre line entirely. I have no issue with this if you want to put a proposal together.
Practically, I don't see it having much affect in reffing quality.
1) The moment of release is the fastest the ball will be travelling so trying to assess the exact moment it fully crosses the line is extremely difficult, unless the shot is very slow. Slap shots probably have the fastest contact speed and shortest contact time making it very hard to gauge the exact moment the ball has left the stick.
2) If the ball is in the air at release, like basically every flick shot, the referee would need to be standing at the halfway line and they would still being measuring a ball 25cm above the line and whether it had crossed it yet. If they are not inline with the half way line and the ball was in the air then they would have parallax error so it also would not be possible.
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"The everyday understanding is that a goal can only be scored in the opponent’s half." and to be sure: The everyday understanding should be that a chance to score a goal can only happen within the opponent’s half.
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I can't make this into a proposal as i am not a voting member. @steven or @nicolai, maybe you can?
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Can someone make this into a proposal today? I don't think it's very controversial to change.
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To find sentences for a line probably ca. 5 cm wide somewhere in the air for better referring would be 100% correct as a written rule but I don`t think this would improve my referring on the floor.
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I do agree that it has little to no practical impact, yet it's in line with the goal rule and makes more sense logically and the rule easier to follow and understand.
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I will create the proposal.
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Since we have a proposal for this topic, this discussion can be closed and further issues can be discussed in the corresponding discussion of the proposal.