14B 9.1 Change corner rule
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I splitted the corner Discussion from the direct freeshot. I think it ill work better.
I like the idea rewhrite the corner rule. Yesterday i talked in training with nicolai about the corner rule.
My suggestion is the following
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... If a team receives a free shot within the opponents' goal area, the free shot is executed at the closest corner
mark (corner shot).
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If a team recives a free shot in the opponents goal area between the 6.5m and the extended goal line The free shot is executed from the point where the violation was done. If its closer than 4m to the goal it will be taken with a distance of 4m to the goal. All fould between the extended goal line and the Ground line will excecuted at the closest corner mark.
What do you think about that.
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To make it easier for the Referees i think we need 4 new 4m marks.
https://www.swisstransfer.com/d/13b6f3e9-f25c-41cf-aba6-d08b33d06c2e
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As allready mentioned twice, move the (currently named as) corner marks from the extension of the goal lines to the end of the goal area onto the 6.5 m line 2 m away from the side lines. This would give enough room to event new tactics within the current rules.
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I do think taking the ball to the 6.5m line would create more tactics than corners. Playing the penalty where it was given (with indirect shots on goal) makes more logical sense to me.
I don't know how the 4m marks are supposed to work. How are we ruling within 4m of the goal. Is it a 4x4 m box in front of goals?
I would think an easy way to measure 4m to goal is use a 4m long string anchored in the middle of the goal line and use that string to put some tape marks every 50 cm or so in a semi circle around the goal.
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We are just creating more space behind the goals 2.5m-->3.m.
Creating a 4m free shot contradicts that and reduces space (for defenders) in front of the goal.
Why 4m? At least stick to the known distance of 6.5m.
When we are creating new distances, why not take such distances we can easily measure (in training sessions) with present materials like the unicycle and make the sport more unicyclish? :-)
6,66 m = 4 rotations of a 20 inch unicycle = penalty shot
2 m = 1 rotation + wheel radius = distance from wall/border
Ciao Ole
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@Herbie: why moving the current corner does not make sense in my opinion: There are many instances where I feel the current corner rule is great and we do not need any change. This e.g the case when the ball was out of bounds behind the goal line or got stuck in the outside of the net.
However, there are situations where I feel the current corner rule could be improved. This includes fouls in front of the goal and close to the goal. In such situations, giving a free shot increases chances of scoring and allows for more tactical options.
Why 4m? 2m space for the defenders and 2m between the defenders and the ball. If all feel the defenders need 3m that would be fine too. However giving 4.5m feels way too much.
I’m not sure whether we need makings for this change, this could also just be measured roughly. If, I think it should be a half circle and not a square.
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thanks steven for your suggestion. I didn´t think about a half circle but i think it would be a good and easy way to mark. If we do that from the middle of the goal we have round about 3m on the left and right side depends on the goal. Mabye we can messure from each goal post and make a quater circle an each side and in front of the er have a straight line with a distane of 4m to the goal line. Or we measure 4.5m from the middle of the goal and do a half circl than we have about 3.5m on both sides of the goal. What do you think about that?
i agree with nicolais explanation not to move the corner points. But in case of fouls i think we need a change from the corner to the point were it happens. To make it fair for all teams and to prevent discussions and time wasting on the field i think we need a 4m marking.
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A good point to keep the corner mark ("e.g the case when the ball was out of bounds behind the goal line or got stuck in the outside of the net."). For situations happen between the extension of the goal lines and the ground line the freeshot should executed as before from the corner marks. I dislike new messurments as discussed (3.5m, 4.0m, 3,0m or 2.0m from ?). For the special area (named goal area) is as well a discussion (6.5m) running. For bad fouls in this area we have the 6.5m marks. For not so bad fouls in this area the marks for execution all this freeshot should move as well to fixed markers, more away from goals as 6.5m. Therefore for the area from the extension of the goal lines to the end of the goal areas new markers (named as ???) on the 6.5 m line 2 m away from the side lines should be the new execution points from where the normal freeshots should be executed. Easy doing.
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What is your reasoning for moving fouls away from the spot they occurred?
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What is your reasoning for moving the spot fouls occurred in this area closer to the goal?
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The free shot would be executed where the foul did occur. No moving closer to the goal. With the current rules the defenders profit as they gain a few meters although the foul occurred close to the goal.
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If a the foul in the goal zone prevented a good goal shot we give a 6.5m penalty shot. If not, we give a free shot from the corner. That is sufficient. We don't need other closer free shots.
Does a goalkeeper have any chance to defend a free direct shot from 3 - 4 meters?
The defenders would need to put half their team in a close space between ball and goal to defend that, chances of dismounts due to close space are high.
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As a goalkeeper i say yes you have a chance to defend a direct free shot with a distance of 4m. Because you can bring your teammates in the right Position. In this discussion we only discuss the Corner rule not the direct freeshot. I think this are two different things.
I would like to hear from the members didnt comment this discussion already.
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"If a the foul in the goal zone prevented a good goal shot we give a 6.5m penalty shot. If not, we give a free shot from the corner. That is sufficient. We don't need other closer free shots."
I agree with Ole!
I also think drawing 4m half circels is not super easy. Furthermore, this would be a huge change which never was tested before.
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I agree with this point from Ole: "The defenders would need to put half their team in a close space between ball and goal to defend that, chances of dismounts due to close space are high."
I also agree that drawing 4-meter half circles isn’t exactly easy (Larissa's point), and I also find this new 4-meter radius arbitrary.
I'm also against direct free kicks, even if that's not directly relevant to this discussion :)
If one wanted to eliminate corner kicks, in my view another option would be to take all free kicks occurring within the 6.50-meter zone from a position one meter in from the sideline.
What I dislike about the version currently being discussed, with the 4-meter semicircle, is that it gives too much importance to free kicks. This includes not only fouls in the goal area but also situations where the ball simply goes out of bounds.
Therefore, I’m not sure if it wouldn’t be best to simply leave everything as it is.
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I agree to Malte, Larissa and Ole and also would find it a bit wild to rush such a huge change. We tried out 4m shots in training and there've been two scenarios: Crammed defending players falling over each other which might cause injuries, but surely causes delay of the game; or a certain goal which makes the free shot more powerful than the 6,50m, which defeats the purpose.
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There has been some confusion in this discussion.
This discussion was about moving corners but specifically there would be no change to the direct shot rule.
Many have responded that moving the corners close to the goal would require the team to pack all their players in goal because of the direct shot..
Just to make it clear this discussion is not about direct shots. This discussion assumed an indirect shot and is about whether or not moving the corner would be beneficial to gameplay over corners.
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Thanks steven for this clerification. In addition to that. The corner will still exist for face off, ball out of bounds in the goal zone, fouls behind the extended goal line... Only for fouls the corner will move to the point were it happend.
Meassureing a semi circle is not that complicate. When you take a String of 4m like Steven explained you can easy walk around The semi circle
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Without having the direct shot Option is it really an advatage to have the corner in 4m distance? I have less space to pass to my teammates. Sure, you could play the ball back or do a tap and a another player shoots. Just thinking (but not sure) if this would be easier or harder for beginners?
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We have a huge area on the playing field executing the free shot from the point were the violation happend (new: with exception 2m from sideline)
For the smaller areas of the playing field, here goal area, we have spezial rules. We are using fixed markers where from a freeshot has to executed. This is a simple good old rule. I maid a sugestion to give more room room to event new tactics within the current rules. Executing the free shot from the point were the violation happend with more exeptions I would not voting for.