14D (6) Audience try to influence the game/event flow (Closed for comments)
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Animated by discussion (Insults 14B.8.5) what should happen if someone or more from the audience try to influence the game/event flow?
Various kinds of emissions in rough discription may influence a game. What has to be accepted done by fans?
Some examples:
throwing things on the playing field,
smoke, fume, mist
noise, blast, howl, whistle
plus
aggression against
board of referres
team (player + officals)
including insults
The referrees should have the oportunity to make a time stop, first trying themselves to stop this influence or to pass the responsibility to local event officals (currently not a listet task of the hockey director).
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I would only include something in the rulebook stating that the referee should call a timeout if something occurs that could directly interfere with the game. For example, objects being thrown onto the field, smoke, or a sound (such as a whistle) that could be confused with the referee’s whistle.
The reason for including this is that such situations have a direct impact on the flow of the game and the referee’s ability to manage it properly.
However, I don’t believe the rulebook should include anything about spectators insulting or booing players. While this behavior is inappropriate and should be addressed, the IUF rulebook should remain focused on the players, referees, and others directly involved in the game.
Spectators are not subject to the IUF rulebook, since they are not participants in the match. Their conduct should instead be governed by the venue or event regulations (rules set by the German League, the venue itself, or UNICON), which may allow for the removal of spectators for inappropriate behaviour such as booing or verbal abuse.
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I believe the rulebook should include something about spectators. (Comm.:This generic issue should Connie or Jan take for discussion into the main rulebook.) You are right, the IUF rulebook part 14 should remain focused on the players, referees, and others directly involved in the hockey game.
Various kinds of emissions, polutions or tecnical problems can "have a direct impact on the flow of the game and the referee’s ability to manage it properly."
And if the referrees is unable to shrink or stop this situation, the referrees should have a rule to stop the game, sent off all players from and next from the playing filed plus handover the responsibility to the hockey director or local official to solve the problem by the venue or event regulations. When problem has been solved the referrees will take back the responsibility to finish the game. The referrees will call back the players and team officals on or next to the playing field.
Probably more suitable for an under heading like this: "14D (6) Situations or actions from outside the playing field"
"If situations or actions from outside the playing field have a direct impact on the flow of the game the referrees may stop the time to solve this problem from the position playing field.
And if the referrees is unable to shrink or stop this situation, the referrees may sent off all players from or next to the playing filed and handover the responsibility to the hockey director or local official to solve the problem by the venue or event regulations. When problem has been solved the referrees will take back the responsibility to finish the game for the remaining time. Therefore the referrees call back the players and team officals on or next to the playing field." or in better wording.
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> Spectators are not subject to the IUF rulebook, since they are not participants in the match. Their conduct should instead be governed by the venue or event regulations (rules set by the German League, the venue itself, or UNICON), which may allow for the removal of spectators for inappropriate behaviour such as booing or verbal abuse.
In principle, I would agree that spectators are not subject to the IUF Rulebook - but as soon as they influence the competition, they are in a way subject to the competition rules. In the Track and Road section we have therefore added the following paragraph under Refreree:
"4. The Referee can ban persons from the competition venue for the duration of the competition, if they significantly disturb the execution of the competition."
I think a rule like this can make sense and I think it is best placed in the chapters on the individual disciplines, as there are currently no such responsibilities defined in the general section (and there is also no good rule for doing so).
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"4. The Referee can ban persons from the competition venue for the duration of the competition, if they significantly disturb the execution of the competition." I believe this is not the best level of reposiblity. The referrees are reponsible for the area of the playing field and next to it and to referree the games (as well e.g. when a dog runs onto the field). The referrees have not really the force to influence the surrounding of the playing field. (They may try.)
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I like this sentence offered by Jan from the Track and Road Section: The Referee can ban persons from the match venue for the duration of the match, if they significantly disturb the execution of the match.
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I found this in part 1:
"1C.17 Option to Remove People From Events
The host is allowed to remove an individual or a group if they are acting aggressively
or abusively against others. These individuals/groups should be given a first warning,
followed by removal from the specific event by the Host or the Chief Judge/Referee who
is in charge for the competition where the problem appears. The person(s) should only
be removed from that competition to have a chance to calm down. If the aggressive or
abusive behavior continues, it is also possible to remove the individual or group from
the rest of the convention."
We have no the Chief Judge and our Referees are only in charge for the game not for the competition.
There is not enough time left for discussion on this bigger grey area.
For an admission I suggest to add in Part 14 something like ""If situations or actions from outside the playing field have a direct impact on the flow of the game the referrees may stop the time to solve this problem."
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Everything outside the scope of the referees is in the scope of the hockey director / tournament organiser.
It's the hockey director who would have to remove spectators or other disturbances from the venue. I think there is no need to change the game rules for that.
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The rule "The Hockey Director is in charge of keeping events running on schedule." is not enough to "remove spectators or other disturbances from the venue."
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I think this is for next rulebook
In principle, I would agree that spectators are not subject to the IUF Rulebook - but as soon as they influence the competition, they are in a way subject to the competition rules. In the Track and Road section we have therefore added the following paragraph under Refreree:
I disagree, they can infuence the game if they do something wrong but this does not make them subject to the IUF Rulebook, it does not make them a player/official and they specifically have not ever agreed to follow the rulebook. They may have agreed to VENUE rules and those rules usually give the VENUE OPERATOR the option to remove them.
By all means I think you can add a rule in which says the refere may pause the match due to outside interference while the offending person is removed from the venue.
But who does the banning is more likely the hockey director/venue operator and I don't think this is actually required in the rulebook. I don't think referees sign up to be personally ejecting people from the venue.
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I will create a proposal for this discussion.