Defining the terms Event, Competition, Discipline, ...

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During the last Rulebook update, the Track Committee realized that keywords such as Event, Competition and Discipline are not clearly defined in the Rulebook and are used differently in different places, which can lead to confusion.
As an example, if the rules state that there is a disqualification for that event - but if it is not clearly defined what is meant by event, this can lead to problems.

For the track chapter, we started collecting all occurrences of the terms and looking at what is meant where. Overall, we found that the terms are used very inconsistently. (The full discussion from the last rulebook can be found here: https://iuf-rulebook-2022.committees.unicycling-software.com/discussions/39)

Since this topic is by no means something that only concerns the Track Chapter, I would like to have this discussion again here in the Main Committee and see if we can come up with a definition for individual terms and, in the long term, standardize their use in the entire Rulebook. But before we go through the entire rulebook and collect all the occurrences of the terms, I would suggest that we think about which things we need to differentiate at all. I had already given this some thought during the discussion in the last rulebook:

I think there are essentially three entities that should be defined in any case and, if necessary, an additional intermediate level:

1. The smallest entity as an attempt of a rider - this can either be in the form of a heat, a wave, an individual attempt/run. (Of course we can also define these separately, but I think they fall out of this scheme, because they are discipline specific. We need therefore first of all a generic term for this entity.)

2. Next, the entity that contains all attempts of all riders competing in a common ranking - this would be e.g. the 100m Female 17-18

X. If necessary, as an intermediate level, the entity that summarizes all attempts of all riders of all rankings of one discipline - as e.g. the 100m. However, I'm not sure if a separate term is really needed for this, or if you can just say "all 100m entities according to 2." - if you understand what I mean?
(Assuming that 2. is defined as "competition", one could also talk about all 100m competitions and it would be clear which entity is meant).

3. The biggest entity, which contains all the entities according to 2. of all disciplines and all rankings - e.g. the Unicon.

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That looks pretty clear. "Attempt" sounds a little odd for single-try events, like a 100m race, but using the same word for all will be less confusing than doing something else. In typical races, each rider gets one attempt. When a rider advances to a final, that's a new attempt. For competitions where riders get multiple attempts, they can be numbered; First attempt, second attempt, etc.

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I need to repeat this back in my own phrasing for clarity:

Attempt - this one makes sense to me. A heat, a wave, an individual attempt/run. It is essentially a catch all phrase for the individual element with a competition.

Competition - I'm not clear on this one... I think it could be interchanged with Event the way I understand it currently. When I was asked how many events or competitions would be held at Unicon 21, I thought of it in terms of street and flat are each a competition/event, each road race is a competition/event. So in the end there are the same number of competitions as there are events. 

Disciplines - I've thought of these as the "big 6": Track, Freestyle, Urban, Teams, Muni, and Road. 

What am I missing here?

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@Kirsten: This is exactly what I mean when I say that the Rulebook is currently very vague and imprecise with the terms used. For example, I would understand discipline to mean something different (for me it would be 100m, individual freestyle, etc. and not the overarching "section").

That's why my idea was to start by defining which entities exist at all/which entities should be defined. In a second step, a term should then be found for each entity and defined accordingly in the rulebook. This would then make it clear what is meant by this term in the context of the rulebook.

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Very good idea to define these terms. That's how all my sport science literature starts. In order to come up with good fitting terms, its good to validate them against a set of examples one might express with a given term. So here is my idea (of how I used them in the past or learned while studying).

 

(Sport) Event - Gathering of people with the objective to exchange, socialize, learn and/or compete in the shared interest of sports (/unicycling)

Valid: Unicon, GUC, EUC, Freestyle Convention, GMTW

Invalid: 100m, Artistic Freestyle, Last Trick

 

(Sport) Competiton - Comparison of athletic achievement/accomplishment of individuals, teams or nations based on competition rules to determine a winner and a ranking. The result, according to the rules, is judged in meter, kilogram, seconds, points, hits and many more.

The definition here is my personal free translation from my sport science book: 

Schnabel, G., Harre, H.-D. & Krug, J. (2014). Trainingslehre - Trainingswissenschaft (Bd. 3. aktualisierte). Aachen: Meyer & Meyer.

The german original (p. 515):

> Definition sportlicher Wettkampf: Vergleich sportlicher Leistungen von Individuen, Mannschaften und Nationen auf der Basis von Wettkampfregeln zur Ermittlung von Siegern und Platzierten. Das Ergebnis wird entsprechend den Regeln in Meter, Kilogramm oder Zeiten, Punkten, Treffern u. a. m. bewertet.

Valid: 100m, Artistic Freestyle, High Jump, Best Trick (you CAN rank the winners here)

Invalid: Unicon, NAUCC, GUC

 

(Sport) Discipline - A field with either a specific environment in which athletic actions are performed and/or a certain distinct set of skills is required to perform in a competition of that discipline.

(oof, I tried to put this into words, this is hard)

Valid: Track, Freestyle, Urban, Teams, Muni, and Road (you can NOT rank the winners here)

Invalid: 100m, Individual Freestyle, Unicon, GUC, Marathon, Best Trick, Last Trick

See also: Sportdisziplin (de), Academic Discipline

 

Until here, I'm always pretty solid with these terms and using them that way. Now, these _are_ very generic and I included samples, such as best trick. They still fall under that definition and that is correct. However I think what many people here have in mind (or seeking) is how it relates to the rulebook. The solution is plain dead simple. An _IUF competition_ or _IUF discipline_ are those listed in the rulebook (as such, best trick is a competition, but not an IUF competition).

 

Attempt - I tried to use that:

  • 2 attempts _per_ height/length in jumps (ok, you get a new one then - that would work for me)
  • x attempts in a best trick contest (you start to have three attempts?)

 I think I found examples, where the definiton of attempt above is clearly failing:

  • Last Trick (of a flatland run) - (you attempt a run to then have three attempts for your last trick ? - this is an overload of the word)

It's tricky. I wanna throw in "start" as a point of raising a discussion. I picked the word as in "you go to the start", in the meaning of "now it counts", aka you jumped the rubicon (if you are familiar with what that word means here). The opposite is a (coasting) practice _try_.
I picked it as "now you start your x attempts". You have at least one attempt, that always can fail (ie. gear breaks).

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Thanks Gossi, this is exactly what we need. Apologies from me, as the author of much of this stuff we're cleaning up. Things were much simpler back in the 90s and 2000s, but as you add new disciplines and more competitions, your Events need more definitions and consistent use of terminology.  :-)  We'll have to take a search tool to the whole document to look for those words, and probably others, that have been used inconsistently.

I think we can make "Attempt" work unless we run into too many exceptions. Last Trick is a known part of the given competition, where the rider gets three "tries" or "chances" to successfully do that trick. 

 

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Thanks gossi for the definitions from the literature. I think that's a good starting point - but I have the feeling that not all of the theoretical definitions match what is actually used in practice.

(Sport) Event - I would agree with the definition and for me that is exactly how I use the word event. Perhaps also because I always use the word “Veranstaltung” for this in German and “event” is the most common translation into English.
In my opinion, the term and the associated definition would be something for what I called “3. the biggest entity” in my post above.

(Sport) Competition - I can understand the definition. However, I would still see competition as something more specific than just the 100m, for example. For me, a competition would be where a winner is actually determined very specifically, e.g. 100m Female 17-18; 100m Female Final etc. (in German I would call this entities "Wettbewerb")- than what I called above in general “2. the entity that contains all attempts of all riders competing in a common ranking”.
In my opinion, the combination of all these entities into a larger group (e.g. 100m) does not need its own term in practice, as you can easily say “all 100m entities according to 2.” or concrete "all 100m competitions".

 

(Sport) Discipline - I can understand the definition in principle, but I don't quite understand why it's not a valid definition for the 100m, for example. I see a discipline less as an organizational unit at a event and more as something that represents the framework of a sport. A discipline is something with a defined set of rules in which I can organize events and competitions. So for me, 100m would certainly be a discipline, because it is something where I have defined rules that describe how a competition takes place. For me, discipline therefore has a different level than the entities I mentioned above, which are about organizational units of a competition and not about the organization of the sport itself - do you understand what I mean?
For example, the Rulebook currently uses the headings “2B.2 Racing Disciplines” - which in my opinion makes perfect sense and corresponds to how "discipline" is used in practice.

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I'm bringing more complexity to the question, but hopefully some answers as well (the word proposals are very tentative, and overall quality vary). Sorry for the English quality.


Level 1: Unicon, GUC, EUC, Freestyle Convention, GMTW, CFM
Def: Gathering of people with the objective to exchange, socialize, learn and/or compete in the shared interest of sports (/unicycling)
Word: Event
Comment: This level is clear and mandatory.

Level 2: Track, Freestyle, Urban, Teams, Muni, and Road (the big 6)
Def: The main broad categories in which one can compete, unified by the type of needed infrastructure.
Word: Group of discipline
Comment: To explain the broad possibilities in sportive unicycling to a non-unicyclist (a spectator, the press).

Level 3: Jumps, Track, Freestyle, Trials, Street and Flat, Basketball, Hockey, Muni, Road
Def: The categories in which one can compete which require the same type of infrastructure, competitor skills, and organizer skills.
Word: Discipline
Comment: Level 2 was about communicating, this level is more operational. There are in fact at least two variants: the one of the Rulebook sections, and the one of the directors (e.g., https://www.unicon21.us/our-team/directors). One can also view it as the groups of "things" in which a competitor can specialize (if a person is good in one, it is usually good in all those of this level).

Level 4: High jump over bar, 100m, Freestyle pair, Trials Expert, Basketball B, Intermediate Cross-country, 10k standard
Def: Specific athletic event in which competitor persons/teams can be compared, typically through measures (time, distance, points, etc.), regardless of the gender/age but otherwise fairly (same rules).
Word: Competition
Comment: At this level, comparison is the key. Basketball A and Basketball B are different because we cannot compare the teams in A with the teams in B (no games between them). Note that this not entirely clear (10k unlimited: geared/ungeared distinction or not). A variant is to define it so that level 4 corresponds to the number of medals a single individual can have. In such a case, Freestyle Pair and Freestyle Solo would still be separate, but Basketball A and Basketball B would be merged (a single person cannot compete in both). This one would also be ambiguous (one races once for the 10k but one can have two medals, age-group and all-age).

Level 5: 100m Female 17-18, Basketball B, 10k standard male all-age, 10k standard male 15-18 regrouped
Def: Specific athletic event which gives rise to a podium and medals.
Word: Podium?
Comment: This one would really correspond to the actual podium/medals.

Level 6: Anything below level 5
Def: Specific athletic (almost-)continuous effort.
Word: Many, depending on the context (race, heat, wave, attempt, try, game, run, show, etc.)
Comment: I'm tired and don't know how to deal with this level. But maybe it really shouldn't be defined overall but only in each level 4 context.

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Thanks for your input. I can understand de definitons but I'm unsure if we really need to define all this terms in the rulebook.

The biggest entity/the highest level/Level 1 mentioned by David
It seems to me that we agree that “event” is an appropriate term for this and that we should define it in the rulebook in any case.

Level 2 mentioned by David
I realize that in unicycling we often think in terms of these six broad categories, but I don't know if we really need to define a separate term in the rulebook. I think these categories/areas/groups can also be described with terms that don't need an explicit definition.

Level 3 & Level 4 mentioned by David
I see a certain mixture between the two levels here. I would describe a discipline as a unit that has a certain independence with regard to the specific execution of the competitions held in this, the characteristics of the competition and the competition rules. A further subdivision of a discipline is only possible for me through the organizational process of the competitions, e.g. in different age groups. However, it would also always be possible to create a common ranking for a discipline.

The entity that contains all attempts of all riders competing in a common ranking/Level 5 mentioned by David
I think a term in the rulebook is essential for this entity, as we need it in a wide variety of places. For me, it has always been most logical to call this level competition, as a ranking takes place at this level and medals are awarded (which actually also fits the definition of competition given by gossi).
I don't think podium is a suitable term, as it is generally understood to mean what can be seen at the award ceremony, the stepped podium with three people on it - but there is much more to the competition, including all the participants who don't end up on the podium.

The smallest entity as an attempt of a rider/Level 6 mentioned by David
I agree that there will be most terms for this level that will differ greatly from discipline to discipline. Nevertheless, a definition of Attempt seems to make sense to me, as it allows other terms commonly used in the respective disciplines to be explained simply and it is clear what is meant by the discipline-specific term. I would therefore only define a very general term in Chapter 1 and leave it to the individual sub-chapters to decide whether they use it to explain specific terms or use the general term.

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What confuses me the most Jan is that you are using the word "entity". Not even a german would be using that word. It took me very long, but I wanna do a guess here: Is it you are asking this to write a software for evaluation and you are looking for a term here? entity is a word you'd use here (I'm making a living as a software engineer). That would to me explain the motivation behind all this =)

I can answer a question here:

  • A competition is something you train for. 100m, individual freestyle, speed trials.
  • 17-18 is NOT something you train for. Thats a winning group.

100m, 17-18 = Competiton x Winning Group (no need to give this a special name, there are two descriptive ones).

ad David: The terms work very broad, inside and outside of what the IUF recognizes. Don't be confused or tempted to put extra words in for the separation, that is not needed :)

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I use the word “entity” (DE: "Einheit") because I wanted to avoid using the terms “event”, “competition” etc. in the descriptions as long as they are not defined. Otherwise I would try to describe something that I think needs to be defined with the term I would use for the definition.

> A competition is something you train for. 100m, individual freestyle, speed trials.

I would always say that I train for a specific discipline, because the discipline is the thing (which is completely separate from a competitive event) that sets the rules and framework conditions and for which I can train - as you write, that would be 100m, individual freestyle, etc.

For me, competition is what is offered organizationally at an event for a specific discipline. I am assigned to this competition by the organizer, depending on which competitions he offers at his event. Therefore, I would never say that I train for a certain competition, because the allocation to a competition depends on what the organizer offers.

> 100m, 17-18 = Competiton x Winning Group (no need to give this a special name, there are two descriptive ones).

The way I always use the terms in German and how they fit the entities I proposed would be the following:
Competition = Discipline x Age Group/Winning Group

The discipline is what defines the rules, describes what it is about (e.g. 100m) and together with an age group / “Winning Group”, which defines in general which athletes are grouped together (i.e. not specifically for one discipline), it becomes an organizational unit for a competition, to which the individual athletes are assigned on the basis of registrations of athletes for the specific discipline and the fulfilment of criteria of the athletes for an age group / “Winning Group”.
I would therefore completely disagree with you when you say that no term is necessary for this entity - for the organizational process of a event, the entity (Discipline x Age Group/Winning Group) is one of the most important of all.

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I would tend to switch what you call "competition" and "event".
I get your logic, but of you look at other sports, the term "event" often refers to the specific thing you train for. For example, the 100m freestyle is a swimming event, and floor exercise is a gymnastics event. (Interestingly, I would keep the german terminology as you used it, Gossi. It's the English translation that changes)

So, going back to the levels you have been discussing that would be:

Level 1: Competition (Unicon, EUC, CFM, GMTW...)- Your destination / what you travel to

Level 2: Section / Area / possibly not necessary to define (and overlaps with level 3)  the broad ways we categorise unicycling: Track, Freestyle, Urban, Teams, Muni, and Road (the big 6)

Level 3: Discipline : an event or group of events following the same set of rules: Freestyle, Trials, Road, Flatland, Track, Basketball

Level 4: Event: the specific thing you sign up for (you have a start list for each event): 100m, Speed Trials, Large Group Freestyle....

Level 5 (not always applicable) : Division Any broad separations within an event (not the same as age groups) For example: Junior/Senior expert (for individual freestyle), standard/Unlimited for road races 

Level 6: Within each division or event, you can have gendered classes (Depending on the recommendations of the gender committee) 

World Champion titles are given at this stage - some divisions do not award world champion titles because they are separated by skill level (such as B tournaments)

(Level 7) And within each event, division or class (depending where each competition stops dividing), you can have age groups or subdivisions that can get a (so called "age group") medal: for example Beginner Downhill, Hockey B, 100m U15 ... 

(Level 8) Additionally, each event can be organised into smaller heats/battles/routines/matches but the terminology will be specific to each discipline

So for instance,for the 10k race at Unicon it could be:
Competition: Unicon
Discipline: Road 
Event: 10k
Division: Standard
Class: Female
-> Whoever comes first at that level at Unicon is World Champion

Each competitor will start in a specific heat or wave
Each competitor will also get a ranking (and potentially a medal) in their age group

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Thanks for your input Elise.

> I would tend to switch what you call "competition" and "event".

I also have the feeling that “competition” and “event” are used differently in English than the usual German translations. This is one of the reasons why I think that the rulebook should include a definition, so that there is no confusion when the rules are translated into other languages or non-native speakers interpret terms differently.

In German, the word “Veranstaltung” or “Wettkampf” would probably be used for the top level, the former is usually translated as “event” and the latter as “competition”. In German, however, there is another term for the entity "discipline x winning/age group", namely “Wettbewerb” or just “Bewerb”, which is unfortunately also translated as “competition”. I think thats why germans would more frequently use "event" for the Level 1.

 

> Level 1

I think in athletics the term “meeting” is sometimes used for this level. I have no idea how widespread this is in English and whether it could be an alternative term to “event” or “competition”?

> Level 2 / Level 3

As you write yourself, these two levels overlap a lot and I don't understand why on the one hand basketball and hockey are disciplines (which I would agree with), but on the other hand 100m and IUF slalom are not - but track is supposed to be the discipline here, where track is at the same time should also be an area like team sports. 100m and IUF Slalom (and not just the two) have their own very clear rules that describe how these things are to be run and executed. So for me they are clearly on the same level as hockey, basketball, flatland, street etc. - they are disciplines I would say. I'n every discipline you can host a competition/event and make a ranking. 

> Level 4: Event: the specific thing you sign up for (you have a start list for each event): 100m, Speed Trials, Large Group Freestyle....

I am still not convinced not to call these things disciplines. Each of these things has a very specific set of rules that describe how it is to be performed. These things are also called “Disciplines” in the current Rulebook (e.g. 2B.6 Racing Disciplines). These things are completely independent of any competition related organizational component, they simply describe something that has a very specific set of rules and in which I can organize events/competitions. Both the term “event” and the term “competition” have an organizational component for me. I can organize events/competitions, but I would find it strange to have a list of events/competitions in the rulebook. A list of possible disciplines, on the other hand, makes sense to me.

> Level 5 / Level 6 / Level 7

Even if I can understand the subdivision, I wonder for which of these subdivisions separate terms are really necessary. As already written, the rulebook very often refers to what I described above as “the entity that contains all attempts of all riders competing in a common ranking”.
That would be what is made up of levels 5 - 7 in your case, e.g. Discipline x Age Group/Age Class/Categorie (where for me Age Group/Age Class/Categorie is alsways combined from Age x Gender (Class/Categorie)) - and it is precisely this organizational unit of a competition/event that is often referred to, which is why I think we need a suitable term for it. In German, I would call this organizational unit a “Wettbewerb” or “Bewerb”. A ranking takes place within this organizational entity and medals may be awarded.

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I am in line with Elise's uses of the words. I think here in France, it is what makes sense to us. Language specificity tend to influence us I guess, as you (Jan) said with the German translations.

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Elise's definitions make great sense to me on the whole. 

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Even if I can understand Elise's definitions and, as I said, can live perfectly with the use of “competition” and “event” in the interchanged meaning (compared to the one I usually use), I still lack a term for what I described in my initial post as 2. “the entity that contains all attempts of all riders competing in a common ranking” (e.g. the 100m Female 17-18). This entity is referred to in several places in the Rulebook, which is why we in the Track Committee of the last Rulebook considered it absolutely necessary to define a term for this.

At the same time, some things are associated with different terms in the definition of Elise at level 2 and 3 - according to the definition of Elise, freestyle, track and road would be both sections and disciplines. In my view, this is extremely impractical and I would find it much more practical to define disciplines as those in which specific events can actually be organized: i.e. 100m, individual freestyle, 10 km, and so on.

This would allow the term event to be defined and used in the same way as it is already partly used in the rulebook, namely for what I described in my initial post as 2. “the entity that contains all attempts of all riders competing in a common ranking” (e.g. the 100m Female 17-18).
So “event” would be something that represents an organizational unit at a competition, i.e. something that an organizer specifically offers at his competition. So Event = Discipline x Age Group/Age Class/Category (with Age Group/Age Class/Category is combined from Age x Gender (Class/Category)) or Event = Discipline x Age Group/Age Class/Category x Gender Class/Category.

 

For me, the following terms would be detached from the organizational aspects of an competition:

Discipline Section / Discipline Area / Discipline Group

The broad ways we categorise unicycling. Group of disciplines that represent a common unit based on certain criteria. I think that a definition of this term is not necessary as long as the term discipline is defined.
I am aware that this level is defined as a discipline e.g. by the IOC, but in my opinion it would mean a lot of work to reorganize our rulebook so that we only use the term discipline for this level. In addition, this definition contradicts what many athletes call discipline in practice, which is usually the level below.

Discipline

The unit that has a certain independence with regard to the specific execution of the events held in this, the characteristics of the events and the rules.
That would be 100m, individual freestyle, 10 km, and so on and would therefore (in my experience) correspond to what many athletes call discipline.

 

Then there are the terms that are linked to the specific organization of a competition:

Competition

Gathering of people with the objective to exchange, socialize, learn and/or compete in the shared interest of sports.
Since it is obviously more common in the english-speaking world to use the term competition instead of event, I would adapt these terms according to the usual usage.

Event

Unit of a competition in which all participants are compared and which leads to a common ranking at the end on the basis of which awards can be made.
It therefore depends on the organization of the competition which events there are in a specific competition. In particular, the event contains the specific discipline, an age category and a gender category. All components together form a unit in which a ranking is created at the end and medals can be awarded.
As a term for this unit is regularly required in the rules and also when organizing competitions in practice, I am against using the term “event” instead of the term “discipline” or, if so, we would need another suitable term for this unit here.

Attempt

Single run of a rider according to the rules of the respective discipline.

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I like Elise's propositions. The levels below are hers.

Level 1. (key concept: when and where you travel to)

"Competition" is the term used in the World Athletics Rulebook for this level. "Meeting" is only used for invitational meetings. For unicycling, it has the drawback of being close to "competitive", although many events are not or contain a significant non-competitive part. I would say that since the IUF Rulebook provides rules, it mostly concerns events that are at least partly competitive. Therefore, we may use the word "competition", but I would write explicitly in the definition that it has to be understood in a broad sense, which includes venues with significant non competitive parts.

Level 2. (key concept: for non specialists)

This level does not need to be named. It is apparently not named for athletics: https://worldathletics.org/our-sport . If we choose a name, it shouldn't sound too technical as this level is mainly used to explain our sport to non specialists. The one I prefer so far is probably "discipline groups".

Level 3. (key concept: similar skills and infrastructure, possibly rulebook sections and directors)

Again, for me, this level groups what needs roughly similar skills and infrastructure. The Olympic Games use "discipline" for this level :
https://www.olympics.com/ioc/faq/sports-programme-and-results/the-olympic-programme-comprises-sports-disciplines-and-events-what-is-the-difference-between-the-three
"Discipline", especially compared to "event", does not bear a competitive or timely aspect (for me). It thus seems more suited to level 3 than to level 4. You train for a discipline, and you don't need rules and competitions for defining a discipline.
Therefore, I would use the following disciplines inside Track meant as level 2 (I focus on the groups rather than on the group names): track races (100m, 400m, 50m1f 30mww, 4x100m, etc.), IUF slalom, balance (slow fwd, slow bwd, stillstand), jumps.

Level 4. (key concept: rules)

Athletics and Olympic Games both use "event" for this level (although it sounds rather strange for a French, at least for me). The fact that the word "event" bears some organizational component is not a problem for me. Rules only make sense if something is organized. Individual Freestyle and Pair Freestyle are different events (you can register to both).

Level 5. (key concept: registration choices that do not prevent from becoming a world champion)

Differences between "divisions" and "subdivisions" (that appear in level 7) are not clear to me. I would say that they both correspond to mandatory choices (typically made at the registration time) as opposed to splits imposed by the rules (you don't choose to be 17-18). Among those choices, I would make the distinction between those that prevent from being a world champion (Basketball A vs Basketball B, Individual Freestyle expert vs non-expert, Downhill distinctions) and those that don't (10k standard vs 10k unlimited). I think that levels 4 and 5 might be merged, that only one of them really needs to be named, and that an "event" could be what lies at level 5 rather than at level 4.

Level 6. (key concept: world champion titles)

This level should indeed correspond to world champion titles. If so, then level 5 should only include the distinctions/choices that do not prevent from being a world champion.

Level 7. (key concept: medals)

I agree that this level is also an important one and should probably be directly named (as opposed to just "event x age group" for example), because it corresponds to medals.

Level 8. (key concept: discipline specific)

"attempt" sounds very inappropriate for some disciplines (like basketball). I wouldn't give a general name for this level.

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A lot has already been written here about which levels could all be subdivided - but on the one hand I don't think that all the levels described fit into a strict hierarchical structure and on the other hand I don't think that we really need terms for all these levels. Therefore I would like to come back to what I started with at the very beginning: In the current rulebook, the three terms “event”, “competition” and “discipline” are used very frequently - but one and the same term does not always refer to one and the same thing - and I think we should change that by defining one term for one thing and use this term consistently.

Essentially, the terms (at least in the track section of the rulebook) refer to one of the three entities I mentioned in my initial post:
1. A single attempt of a rider
2. All attempts of all riders competing in a common ranking
3. All entities according to 2. of all rankings

While 1. is quite discipline specific and "attempt" might sound quite inappropriate e.g. for basketball or hockey, I think in the end it might still work as general term and if the term is not used in some rulebook sections thats fine.
I also believe that the majority would agree to define the 3. point as “competition”.
I don't see a consensus on what the 2. point should be called - a majority seems to be in favor of calling what I would call disciplines (100m, IUF Slalom, Individual Freestyle, High Jump over Bar) an “event”. However, this lacks a term for the 2. point and I personally don't have a good alternative term to use here.

I would therefore be in favor of defining 2. as an “event” and 100m, IUF Slalom, Individual Freestyle, High Jump over Bar, etc. as “disciplines” for very practical reasons.
However, I am still open to alternative suggestions for terms and would be happy to receive input from the committee or feedback on whether the members would also agree with my proposed definition of “event” and “discipline”.
With the definition it would also be consistent to speak of discipline groups or discipline sections if the superordinate groups “Track”, “Muni”, “Freestyle”, etc. were meant.

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I'm getting a bit confused, Jan.
I understand what you mean by "1. A single attempt of a rider." And I think what you means is that "3. All entities according to 2. of all rankings" would be something like "Unicon22" or "CFM2024"? 

But I'm not sure what your difference between "event" and "discipline" are? 

In your mind, would "event" be how we display results? Like "100m, U12, Female"? And "discipline" just all of 100m ?

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> And I think what you means is that "3. All entities according to 2. of all rankings" would be something like "Unicon22" or "CFM2024"? 

Yes, exactly.

> In your mind, would "event" be how we display results? Like "100m, U12, Female"? And "discipline" just all of 100m ?

Yes, you could say that. For me, an event (or “Wettbewerb” in German) is something that results in a ranking - a combination of a discipline, an age group and a gender class.
A discipline, on the other hand, describes purely "what to do", without taking into account the organizational levels of age and gender separation. I would therefore always say, for example, that the Rulebook lists disciplines (e.g. “Track Racing Disciplines” or “Freestyle Disciplines”). For me it doesn't sound logical to talk about track racing events here, because in my opinion it only becomes an event if it is offered at a competition for a certain age group and gender class.

And since the Rulebook often referes to this combination "Discipline x Age Group x Gender Class" I think it is important to define a term for this.

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I would still stick to how the Olympic Games define discipline and event. Therefore, disciplines would be track races, jumps, trial, basketball; and events would be 100m, high jump on platform, etc.

I agree with Jan that the term "event" induces something actually taking place, but it seems that in English the usual term for the level corresponding to 100m is actually "event" (I have seen this in several sports).

I would like to propose a new term for the level corresponding to "100m Female 15-16" that a friend gave me last week. It could be an instance of an event, or simply an instance. By the way, Jan, could you give us a precise place in the rulebook where this level needs to be named? I am still not fully convinced that a term must be found for this level.

As a minor side note, we might use the term "domain" for level 2 (the big six).

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> I would still stick to how the Olympic Games define discipline and event.

But what is the advantage of defining discipline in the future in a way that differs from the way it has been used in our rulebook up to now and in a way that differs from the way the majority of unicyclists (at least in Germany) use it in everyday life?
I don't think we can really change how unicyclists use the terms in everyday life and so a “double definition” of discipline will continue to exist. In my opinion, it would be easier to take over the definition used in everyday life and thus prevent a “double definition”.

> but it seems that in English the usual term for the level corresponding to 100m is actually "event" (I have seen this in several sports).

At this point, however, we should also consider that in many sports at a level such as the Olympics or World Championships etc. there is no further subdivision into age groups. There is often only one "event" (per gender) in 100m. So of course it's easy to say that you use the same term for 100m and the event that results in the ranking at the end, because there is simply no further subdevision. But that is not the case with unicycling. All our competitions always have numerous rankings and there is always a fundamental difference between the 100m, for example, and the events organized within it. Our competitions are organized primarily in these individual events and not at the level "100m".
So for our organizers the diffenciation between the "discipline" (100 m, IUF Slalom, etc.) and the events organized in this is quite important and our terms shoud reflect this.

>  I am still not fully convinced that a term must be found for this level.

I am involved in the organization of about 10 competitions a year (mainly track, freestyle, a bit of muni and urban) and the term for this level is probably the one that is used most often in the organization - because it is the most important level for the organization of unicycling events. A general term like “instance” doesn't seem to me to be very suitable - in German there is also a term for this level that is used outside of unicycling, namely the often-mentioned term “Wettbewerb/Bewerb”. Unfortunately, there seems to be no real English translation for this other than “event” or “competition”, perhaps “contest”.

> By the way, Jan, could you give us a precise place in the rulebook where this level needs to be named?

"Thereafter, any rider(s) causing a false start are disqualied for this event."
-> you get only disqualified for e.g. the level "100 m Female Final" not the whole "100 m"
"For any other Track discipline, a 'final' may be held at the discretion of the organizer, after all age group competition for that discipline has been completed."
"In disciplines for which no finals are held, finalist status will still be awarded on the basis of results in age group competition."
-> Perfect example for the differentiation between "event/competition" and "discipline"
"Finals are subject to the same rules as age group competition, including false start rules and number of attempts."

These are just a few examples that illustrate the use of a term for the level I am talking about.  You can already see from the examples that the term “competition” rather than “event” is currently used for the level (which also seems more logical from a German perspective).
In addition to the use of these terms in the rulebook, however, I think it is extremely important to bear in mind that organizers also use this term all the time. For example, they have to be aware of the total number of “events/competitions” in order to procure medals, the races are always sorted by “events/competitions”, the results lists are sorted by “events/competitions” - basically the entire organization of the competition is based on this division into “events/competitions”.

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Thanks for clarifying, Jan, I now see why defining that level is important

I have a few thoughts and I'll try to be as clear as possible.

Firstly, we should focus on finding a term that works in English and ideally that term is used similarly in other sports. Focusing on how an English term sounds for various non-native speakers is unsolvable (but bringing up words in other languages is really useful in explaining what we are talking about)

Regarding the term for something that results in a ranking - (a combination of a discipline, an age group and a gender class).
I don't think event nor discipline would work here, for two reasons: first, because that's not how those terms are used in other sports and secondly because things are handled differently in different disciplines within unicycling: some disciplines will group competitors by age during the competition while others don't (For example: in age group freestyle, an entire [ranking group] competes close together, one after the other but for Cyclocross, this isn't the case - everyone starts together. So I would suggest the term "contest" for that.

Going back to the concepts that need defining (a combination of my earlier big list and subsequent comments for everyone and Jan's recent clarifications) - from smallest to biggest.

Competiton:  What you travel to (for example: Unicon21, CFM 2024, GUC 2025, NAUCC 2022...)

Discipline: The way individual events are grouped - particularly useful if competitions do not cover the whole range of disciplines (for example: Track, Basketball, Trials, Freestyle...)

Event: The thing you sign up for (for example: 100m, 10km standard, Basketball B tournament)

Contest: The way the competitors are grouped within each event (according to age and gender) resulting in a separate ranking. This includes the grouping of qualifying riders for a final. (for example: "100 m Female Final", "Trials, Male, U15"). In some disciplines, riders in the same contest will be in the same start group, in other disciplines this is not the case.

Attempt: A single attempt by a rider. (for example a run, heat, match, battle or routine)

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> Firstly, we should focus on finding a term that works in English and ideally that term is used similarly in other sports. Focusing on how an English term sounds for various non-native speakers is unsolvable (but bringing up words in other languages is really useful in explaining what we are talking about)

In principle, I completely agree with you here - nevertheless, if there are obvious problems or possible misunderstandings when translating the term, we should consider whether the term has been chosen optimally or whether alternatives are possible.

> I don't think event nor discipline would work here, for two reasons: first, because that's not how those terms are used in other sports and secondly because things are handled differently in different disciplines within unicycling: some disciplines will group competitors by age during the competition while others don't

That was also my impression, which is why I didn't think either term made sense for this unit.

 

I would agree with the terms proposed by Elise, with one exception: "Discipline". With regard to the term “Discipline”, I would put up for discussion whether we actually need this term somewhere in the Rulebook and therefore have to define it? The problem I see here is the resulting “double definition” between the Rulebook and what is often used in everyday life.
To explain: In German, the term “event”, as suggested by Elise and used by other sports in English, would commonly be translated as “Disziplin”. I think this is where the confusion between the German and English usage of the term comes from. German unicyclists will therefore use and understand the term “discipline” differently to native speakers. We could avoid this “double definition” by either not using the term “Discipline” in the rulebook or by adding a phrase like “Discipline Group/Discipline Section” or something similar.

In my opinion, all other terms fit perfectly and do not lead to misunderstandings and could also be clearly translated into German, for example, without causing problems.

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Thank you Jan for the clarification.

I like Elise's propositions. "Contest" sounds slightly odd to me but I think any term would do for this level.

About "discipline", I better understand Jan's concern with respect to German. However I wonder whether this is that problematic in practice:

  • Even if German riders misunderstand "Discipline" as "Disziplin", are there really actual situations in which they will behave differently and suffer bad consequences in actual contests?
  • Rulebooks are eventually translated for the main languages (including German I suppose), which would make the problem disappear (if the translators are careful enough). I nevertheless admit that translations are hard to get done on time (or even at all).

Jan, how strongly do you request an alternative to just "Discipline"?

Just a remark about the "double definition", in French "discipline" matches perfectly with Elise's use of it and would sound quite odd for the Elise's "event" level. “Discipline Group/Discipline Section” sounds quite odd to me and would rather correspond to the big six.

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> Rulebooks are eventually translated for the main languages (including German I suppose), which would make the problem disappear (if the translators are careful enough). I nevertheless admit that translations are hard to get done on time (or even at all).

My fear here is exactly the opposite. I believe that by translating “event” as “Disziplin" in German, there would be the same term twice for different things in a German translation, which would definitely lead to confusion. And even if there were no official German translation, in Germany what is referred to as “event” in the rulebook would still be called “Disziplin”. This can quickly lead to misunderstandings in international communication if “discipline” is defined differently in the rulebook.

> “Discipline Group/Discipline Section” sounds quite odd to me and would rather correspond to the big six.

Yes, but that's exactly what I would mean by “Discipline Group/Discipline Section”: “the big six”. In Elise's suggestion, however, I consider the definition “Discipline” to be practically for “the big six” - Track, Freestyle, ... they are all part of the big six.
I don't think it would really make sense to introduce another level between the “big six” (which is basically how the rulebook is organized) and the individual “events”. Otherwise you end up in a situation where the categorization becomes ambiguous. I think that athletes and organizers either use the generic term (from the “big six”) or refer to a specific event (100m, trial, individual freestyle). I find an additional subdivision between these two levels difficult and, in my opinion, not necessary.

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Lots of good discussion here, and I see merit in almost all the ideas. I like most of Elise's suggestions with similar scepticism as David regarding "contest":

  • Competition (although we could even consider Convention, as competition has a very vague meaning). So Unicon or CFM or EUC could each be a "unicycle convention". But I think Competition is also fine if we define it as such.
  • Discipline: I agree with Elise that it's perfect in English. My German is pretty decent but not good enough for it to be confusing for me in German. But maybe as Jan suggested, we don't need an official definition for this. --> so omit.
  • Event: yes, perfect.
  • Contest: I think Division or Category would be better, with my preference being Division, e.g. U15 female 100m (probably translates as "Altersklasse" in German, meaning age group, but in German generally also implies separation by gender, so works well)
  • Attempt: as the usage in different events/disciplines varies a lot, I think it might be best to define multiple possibilities at the top level and let each discipline (maybe we do need that term?) choose or define its own. I would list the possibilities as Attempt (jumps), Wave (road, muni), and Heat (track) and probably irrelevant for team sports (game is probably about the same level), and Battle/Attempt for Flat, oh, and "Run" for Street.

I agree with Jan that we don't need two levels for "discipline" so we don't need Discipline Group.

If we define Discipline, it should be as the big six, as that's what makes sense in English (and I think French).

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I am not sure either that we need to define a term for levels 2 and/or 3 (in my or Elise's sense). However, if we need one, I think it is for level 3, not level 2. Indeed, for me, level 2 (the big six) is only useful when talking to the press or to non-unicyclists. On the other hand, level 3 is useful because it corresponds to the sections of the rulebook and to the "event directors" as they are (now improperly) called on the UNICON21 website.

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> Contest: I think Division or Category would be better, with my preference being Division, e.g. U15 female 100m (probably translates as "Altersklasse" in German, meaning age group, but in German generally also implies separation by gender, so works well)

Why I don't like the words division or category for what I try to define is that they do sound a lot like age group or gender category, but what I try to define here is the combination of event, age group and gender category. Even though “contest” might sound a bit odd, I think it's a good term for the definition, as it can then be used clearly and unambiguously without any misunderstandings or ambiguity, because otherwise it wouldn't be used.

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I needed to finish another project, which is done now, so I can shift back my focus here.

As somebody who has done definitions for the past years and also learned them at university, I spotted a couple of mistakes in this discussion (I have done them myself, too). Let me go over them.

1. Make things hierarchical

There is a tendency for us humans to make things hierarchical as means to manage things (think cities and their divisions, municipalities, districts, etc.) - that's mostly helpful for administrative purposes. For definitions, it can be helpful, but can never work, because these terms stand on their own. I would need to add the hierarchy level to it to express the term, aka: "Do you mean competition/2 or competition/3?". A competition is a competition, whether I use it during practice or defining rules (no need to differ).

PS. I fall for it, too (see above).

2. Express through relationships

A term is defined based on the characteristics/traits it expresses, not through its relationships.

Example: the mayor of a city has certain responsibilites towards its citizens and therefore is the mayor, not because they have (a certain) uncle, aunt, (grand)parents.

Defining terms through their relationships as such does not work. The characteristics must be worked out.

3. Too many terms

A natural thing in definitions is coming up with too many terms, that you will then use to define others. Basically you would end up defining your own language (that no other person will be able to understand). At some point a reduction needs to happen. (For designers, this is called the (double) diamond method).

For this round it is enough to have good definitions for event, discipline and competition (the other can become a follow up if needed)

4. Being Emotional about your own picks

You will become emotional about your own choice of words, that's happening to all of us (myself included). Not making strong bounds and the ability to give them up for the sake of a better one is a hard earned skill.

5. Ignoring Expertise

Let's come to the biggets problem: Ignoring existing expertise

For the terms here, two expertises are relevant:

  • Event Management
  • Sports Science

You can study both and they come with definitions that people (professors) dedicated their life to find these definitions. I happen to be a sport scientist, and even quoted one such definition above - but I guess I didn't give it its importance it deserves, so let me follow up (a teaser):

The two big fields of sport science are motion/movement science and trainings science. We are in the latter for the matter of this. Now the book I quoted is 600 pages on trainings science. A subfield of trainings science is competitions and the book has ~70 pages to that. I at least used my time reading up these pages and was finding the definition for competition and discipline (both based on their characteristics). In short we have this process in sport:

Athletic profile -> trainings plan with training phases -> competition

There is still an athlete as most important stakeholder that was entirely left out of the discussion here.

Also this literature is available in many languages and thus eliminates the translation problem (it's an effort though). We have seen this in the past with wrong translations. Eg. en: theme -> de: thema caused a massive problem for freestyle (even to this day), so when we introduced the new performance rules Patricia and me spend many hours to get the translation right and it worked pretty well.

5. Signs we messed up

And I think this is were it becomes worrying for me. The rulebook has educational character when it comes to definitions as they are relevant to athletes. The expectation of responsibility for this committee is to put in the required research towards this. Or this is where I as a sport scientist should jump in to provide that expertise (as in contrast to other sports that are much more researched than unicycling) - and sport scientists are rare in our sport.

We can put up two cases that showcase we messed up:

  • We need an event manager to help athletes with their training
  • We could use the help of a sport scientists with organizing our event

The potential for spreading missinformation is very high right now.

6. I'm gossi, I'm helping

I thought what's the best way to help here and bring in the sport scientific point of view. Doing this in written form will be a huge effort on my end and for readers to make the right connections (not suitable). For other parts in the rulebook commitee I was speaking to other members and figured a way to explain my material. I will take that opportunity to also explain these terms here (as I need to use them). As I freed up my time, I can focus on that this week. Please be a bit mor patient for the more thorough explanation I owe you now.

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Even though I would certainly agree with you on many things, I would always bear in mind that scientific wording does not necessarily correspond to what is used in everyday life - not even in other sports. In unicycling, I have the feeling that our rulebook has a very practical approach in large parts and is therefore much closer to the athletes than is the case with other sports. That's why I think it's perfectly justified if a definition in our rulebook doesn't match the sports science definition 100%. In the end, I don't think we can (or want to) rewrite our entire rulebook, but rather find a solution that allows us to work as optimally as possible with what we have.

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